Ogawa: When the initial wave of IT-driven corporate infrastructure development completed its cycle, marketing emerged as the next major theme for IT application. That was in the 1990s. The IT industry started with building customer databases, the foundation for CRM, but marketers weren't involved back then. Ultimately, this left many companies with underutilized assets. However, about ten years ago, pioneering companies began implementing full-fledged CRM using these customer databases.
Aoki: What major changes emerged from the collaboration between marketing experts and IT experts?
Ogawa: It's precisely the realization of one-to-one marketing through this collaboration between marketing and IT. I once worked with a foreign-owned automotive company. They now use a customer database of about one million people for CRM, but they don't aggressively approach all of them all the time. Typically, they just send out mass emails. However, when certain triggers occur—like when a customer has six months left until their vehicle inspection, or someone casually browsing the website starts spending significant time repeatedly viewing detailed specification pages rather than the standard product site, or they request a quote—the IT system identifies this as a switch being flipped. At that point, the IT system automatically sends them a premium brochure or direct mail, or invites them to a test drive event.
IT pinpoints targets: first 50,000 out of a million, then narrows it down to 10,000 within that group who are "genuinely likely to buy this specific model right now." For this final 10,000, both IT and human sales reps collaborate, dedicating all resources to a truly one-on-one sales effort aimed at securing contracts. The role of the human marketer is to design the overall marketing strategy, plan individual tactics, and review the interim results reported by IT to decide whether to proceed as originally planned or adjust the strategy.
Aoki: So, it's not enough to just have a customer database. It becomes possible because it incorporates the marketer's knowledge, and furthermore, the salesperson's knowledge as well.
Ogawa: There's also sales automation (SFA: Sales Force Automation). For example, when a salesperson boots up their computer at the office, they see a list of their assigned prospects along with relevant information: "For this product, approach Mr./Ms. So-and-so. This person has these attributes and is interested in these things..." The system also shares the current status of the sales process, and ultimately, whether a contract was secured or not. This integration between the sales environment and the marketing environment is precisely the "end-to-end" marketing process I envisioned long ago, and it has now become possible. That is, we can now track in real time, for each individual customer, the entire journey from the initial contact through advertising or promotions, through multiple subsequent interactions with the company via various initiatives, through the gradual shift in their awareness, all the way to whether or not they ultimately accept the salesperson's approach. Real-time visibility means marketers can flexibly adjust tactics based on their judgment. This is impossible with mass marketing.
The Divide and Circuit Between Mass and Individual
Aoki: Earlier, you mentioned that in traditional marketing, no matter how much you segmented based on differences in customer needs or purchasing behavior, you inevitably had to rely on mass media when actually executing the plan, which felt incongruous. However, as IT technology advances and we reach a point where, at least at the communication level, we can confirm actions on an individual basis, I suspect new problems will emerge there. Conversely, doesn't it become too easy to see each individual's face, or rather, doesn't it raise the question of how to group them as a market?
Ogawa: When we talk about marketing, if we distinguish between branding and acquisition, branding is about creating a shared perception among everyone. That falls within the realm of mass marketing, where television remains the most powerful tool. However, when it comes to acquiring individual contracts, understanding the customer and communicating directly with them increases both efficiency and the likelihood of a purchase. Therefore, acquisition will increasingly shift towards one-to-one marketing.
That said, even with one-to-one marketing, planning involves some segmentation. Companies identify who their key customers are – those they want to invest resources in and build long-term relationships with – segmenting them and creating personas. They then plan to deliver the optimal content, through the optimal method, at the optimal timing for those personas. Then, if we can identify which specific persona each individual customer fits within the many personas, we can execute the strategy. The fundamental marketer's task—segmenting and determining what resonates with each segment—remains the same in one-to-one marketing.
Aoki: Consumer needs and purchasing behaviors differ individually, so we must segment the market somewhere, and that importance remains unchanged. On the other hand, specific initiatives and approaches are increasingly moving down to the individual level, and results can also be verified at that level. This makes reconciling these two aspects a crucial challenge for marketers.
Ogawa: While IT enhances the precision of understanding the individual and tailoring approaches accordingly, the nature of the relationship itself must be conceived by humans—marketers. The planning itself—deciding what content to deliver, how to deliver it, and when to deliver it to this type of customer—is done by human marketers. IT only handles the execution and reporting of results. Ultimately, IT is just a tool, which conversely means the marketer's skill is put to the test.
Aoki: The key lies in bridging the gap between IT and marketing, collaborating to deliver value to consumers. Even with advanced technology, it won't solve everything 100%. Michael Porter once wrote in a paper that "IT is an enabler," and I certainly agree. IT evolution doesn't automatically solve everything; rather, it makes things that were previously difficult to achieve relatively easier. IT serves as that facilitator. Consequently, how marketers engage with the consumers who make up that market becomes even more crucial.
Ogawa: You're absolutely right. IT is not the goal; it's a tool. The reason people from the IT industry want to come to marketing companies like Dentsu Inc. e-marketing One is because they feel the limitations of continuing solely in IT. Technology evolves rapidly, but since technology itself isn't the goal, even if something seems cutting-edge for a moment, it quickly becomes obsolete. Many likely feel a sense of futility. Instead, they want to work at a higher level—specifically, they want to use IT for marketing, or use IT to develop games, and so on. IT is what powerfully supports marketers in achieving their dreams and ambitions.
Conversely, there are bad examples where everything is attempted to be solved without marketing. Take many recommendation engines, for instance. They try to find answers using only statistics and IT. Statistics has an algorithm called collaborative filtering, which divides people into clusters based on their purchasing behavior and online actions, then assumes people in the same cluster should buy similar products. When you try to find answers using only IT and statistics, you end up chasing only behavioral data. This inevitably leads to answers that merely confirm the status quo. The result is a barrage of recommendations that are unsurprising and utterly uninteresting. Ultimately, I believe that without a marketer's perspective—one that captures and understands not just customer behavior, but the underlying consciousness and values—it's impossible to make proposals that truly delight customers. Collaboration between Marketing, IT, and Statistics is essential.