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Published Date: 2015/08/25

What is the creative wellspring of the global agency Wieden+Kennedy? Dan Wieden × Yuya Furukawa

Dan Wieden

Dan Wieden

Wieden+Kennedy

Yuya Furukawa

Yuya Furukawa

Furukawa Hiroya Office, Inc.

Dan Wieden, founder of the independent agency Wieden+Kennedy (W+K) headquartered in Portland, USA, and Hiroya Furukawa, ECD at Dentsu Inc. The two first met two years ago while judging the Cannes Lions Titanium category. They share two things in common: very soft voices and a deep respect for Jung. They discussed the origins, vision, and talent development of W+K, an agency that consistently delivers high-quality work to the world.


The Vision and Origins of the World's Most Respected Agency

Furukawa: Since its founding in 1982, W+K has consistently delivered world-class work. I hate to ask for the secret, but if there's a unique vision specific to W+K that other agencies don't have, please share it.

Widen: I see W+K as a research institute exploring value beyond business. As our "Fail Harder" wall quote on the first floor states, trial and error fuels our creativity. That's why we don't have cookie-cutter people. I want each Creative Director to approach their work with a distinct perspective.

Furukawa: Mega-agencies often share fundamental methodologies, but you emphasize distinct individual creativity instead. By actively encouraging practical failure, the organization strengthens individuals. This has been consistent since founding.

Wieden: Initially, we were in Portland, a regional city, with only one consumer goods client: Nike. Nike was still a small company with an ad budget of just $1 million. So, the only people we could hire were fresh-out-of-school kids or those who'd been fired from their previous jobs. We had this self-awareness that we were a "bunch of idiots" (laughs).

Furukawa: That's romantic. It seems almost unimaginable now, yet the spirit of that time still feels carried forward. What became of that "bunch of idiots"?

Wieden: As we built our track record, we faced poaching attempts. But instead of retaining people with salary, we focused on making them feel the value in helping shape our culture. We also showed through our actions that "here, you have the freedom and assurance to do the best work of your life." This is the first time I'm sharing this publicly, but several years ago, we established a trust to manage our shares, ensuring the company would never be sold. I believe this independence is why people seeking leadership roles choose to join W+K. We encourage individuals to hone their strong personalities while collaborating and uniting with others. We always emphasize the importance of thinking collectively, not just individually, and finding ways to maximize one's potential within that group.

Furukawa: I imagine the organization is completely different now compared to when it was founded.

Wieden: I sometimes wonder if we've grown too large.

Furukawa: That's a bit surprising. Even with strong branches beyond Portland, like London and Amsterdam, you're not expanding recklessly. That's precisely why I sense that W+K DNA you mentioned earlier in your recent work. It's something rarely seen in mega-agencies.

Wieden: Conversely, it's truly remarkable that Dentsu Inc., despite its unimaginably large scale, has consistently delivered high-quality creative work for so many years. Your company's activities have been widely covered recently, and I hold you in deep respect.

Furukawa: Thank you. We feel we're gradually moving in a positive direction, too.

The Portland, Oregon headquarters is a six-story building converted from a warehouse. Approximately 700 people work on creative projects in this open space, bathed in the dazzling sunlight and framed by the clear blue skies of the West Coast visible through large windows. The mural displaying the employee motto "Fail Harder" was created by W+K 12 students over hundreds of hours using approximately 120,000 transparent thumbtacks.

 

Nike Work

Furukawa: Tell me about the Nike project we mentioned earlier. How did it get started? There are all sorts of legends about it. Like how you and CEO Phil Knight always held meetings on the golf course...

Wieden: That's impossible. Phil doesn't play golf.

Furukawa: Oh, really? In Japan, it was widely believed that Phil Knight and Dan Wieden decided everything important on the green.

Wieden: No. It was at a sales meeting in Idaho. He started by saying, "My name is Phil Knight, and I don't believe in advertising." But in the end, it turned out to be the best meeting for both of them. Phil said, "If you're going to advertise in magazines, write copy that's aimed at runners, not the general public. That way, the general public will actually listen, and it will be more interesting." I was very interested when I heard this. You understand, right?

Furukawa: That's brilliant direction.

Wieden: Because Nike always wanted to go in a different direction than everyone else, we could do the same with our creative work—head in a direction others weren't going.

Furukawa: So Nike happily brought out what you were aiming for. But if we don't have something to bring to the table, no matter how great the pass, we can't make it count.

Nike's "JUST DO IT." is the legendary copy Wieden created. It propelled the brand's subsequent leap forward. Nike founder Phil Knight chose W+K, then also a small company, as a partner at launch. This slogan transcends time and place, still deployed worldwide today.

 

W+K's Talent Development

Furukawa: Talent development is crucial for any agency. Does W+K have a system for this?

Wieden: We have something like a school called W+K 12 within the company. Since people with diverse backgrounds join us, we continue this program to deepen their understanding. Initiatives like this don't yield immediate profits, but they pay off. Now, people who participated in W+K 12 are thriving throughout our company. It's essential. Talent development must be challenging in a large organization like yours.

Furukawa: Creative directors will become increasingly vital going forward, which is why I serve as president of an educational institution called New School, specifically focused on developing them.

P&G's "Thank You, Mom" campaign, which began with the 2010 Vancouver Winter Olympics, is also one of W+K's signature works. It depicted the relationship between athletes and their mothers from the mother's perspective and took the world by storm.

What influenced Dan Wieden?

Furukawa: If there's a book that influenced you the most, please tell us.

Wieden: A book called "Inner Work" by Robert Johnson. He's a writer quite influenced by Jung. It has nothing to do with advertising, but it introduces Jung's approach to how humans contemplate their own existence. According to this, each of us has many selves within us. It's a truly fascinating book. I found it incredibly interesting.

Furukawa: So, would you say Jung was the biggest influence?

Widen: Yes, yes. Have you read Jung's The Red Book? It's unbelievably wonderful.

Furukawa: Not yet. I bought the Japanese edition published just last year, but I haven't read it. It's such a massive work, after all.

Widen: His drawings are also amazing. Actually, the husband of our eldest daughter, who handles our video editing, is planning to make it into a movie.

Furukawa: Whoa. A film adaptation of that? That's quite an ambitious idea. Finally, a word of advice, especially for young creative people.

Wieden: Be fearless.

Furukawa: Thank you very much.


After the conversation
Those with a keen sense may have noticed, but for me, this was a very short 'Hitchcock/Truffaut'. Whether it's a large agency or an independent one, creative leadership demands charisma. In Dan Wieden's case, the foundation of that charisma lies in his decency. This is the crucial difference from leadership that tends to seek its foundation in talent, results, or sheer force of personality. Combined with an intelligence backed by vast reading, this is why he remains the most respected creative director in the world.

(Yuya Furukawa)

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Dan Wieden

Dan Wieden

Wieden+Kennedy

After working as a copywriter, he co-founded the company with David Kennedy in 1982. He built it into the world's largest independent creative agency, operating in eight countries with approximately 1,200 employees. At the 2012 Cannes Lions, he received the Lion of St. Mark award, given to individuals who have made a significant impact on the advertising and communications industry.

Yuya Furukawa

Yuya Furukawa

Furukawa Hiroya Office, Inc.

Joined Dentsu Inc. in 1980. Recipient of numerous awards including Creator of the Year, 40 Cannes Lions, D&AD, One Show, AdFest Grand Prix, Dentsu Advertising Award (TV, Best Campaign Award), ACC Grand Prix, Galaxy Award Grand Prix, and Japan Media Arts Festival. In 2013, he won four Cannes Lions, including the Titanium & Integrated category, and served as jury president for the Clio Awards and ACC Awards, among numerous other domestic and international jury and speaking engagements. In 2019, he became the first Asian recipient of the D&AD President's Award. Major works include JR Kyushu Shinkansen "Congratulations! Kyushu," Otsuka Pharmaceutical Pocari Sweat, GINZA SIX, and NIKKEI UNSTEREOTYPE ACTION. Author of "All Work is Creative Direction." Left Dentsu Inc. in December 2021 and assumed the position of Representative Director at Furukawa Yuya Office Co., Ltd.

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